Notes about Sexuality and Religion

While this is going off-topic: not only the green party did discuss and ask for a removal of age restrictions for sex with minors, but also members of the liberals (FDP), social party (SPD) and conservatives (CDU) – so it was a broad discussion in the german society. Naturally, the more radical stances were found in the more radical parties, which were the green party back then. Source: https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/erste-ergebnisse-der-paedophilie-studie-forscher-enthuellen-so-kaempften-gruene-jahrelang-fuer-freien-kinder-sex_id_3077344.html.

The green party did however ask an independent group of researchers to investigate on the extent of the pedophilic efforts in their party, which can be read here: https://www.ifdem.de/content/uploads/2013/12/Paedophiliedebatte-Gruene-Zwischenbericht.pdf

As for the later distress of the pedophilic relationship, and that one of the children did write a book about their history – do you remember the source for an evaluation, and post the author and title of the book? (I haven’t read the whole investigation report yet, in case it’s in there)

I completely agree on the missing sex drive before puberty and being unable to give consent to an adult – although I dislike the proxy of “age” as the legally determining factor of being able to give consent, it’s the best we got.

I agree that it was a general public discussion. But I think the Greens were more involved than other parties. The Greens had official party organizations that lobbied for that.

I tried to find some sources, and found a few in this article (might be paywalled):

For the book, I probably blended several things into one. I have not read any of the original sources, but here are concrete links that I can extract form this and some other articles:

– There is the biographical novel “Das bleiche Herz der Revolution” by Sophie Dannenberg. The author was sent into “Kinderläden” in her childhood, and the book is based on her own memory and on interviews with her mother and other children and parents of that time. She does not describe direct sexual acts, but makes clear that even the “soft” forms of sexual infringements were traumatizing for her, e.g., having to present herself naked to other adults. In a later interview, she said “objectively it was abuse, subjectively (for the adults) not”.

– There is the report “Kindererziehung in der Kommune” in “Kursbuch 17” from June 1969. As far as I can tell, this is basically a diary of the life in the so-called Kommune 2. In any case, it contains descriptions of very explicit sexual acts (though not intercourse) with the small children (3-6 years). The article cites a former members of the commune with the statement that at least one of the children looks back “mit Grausen” (with horror) to the time. This statement is not specific to the sexual acts, but in general to life in this commune.

– The “Konkret”-publisher Klaus Rainer Röhl wrote several articles in which he propagated consensual sex with children. Later, his two daughter accused him of child molestation, so obviously they were not agreeing in hindsight with what happened.

– There are quite a few books from that time which do not report a specific biographical story, but advertise sexual intercourse with children in general terms. E.g., the Handbuch in positiver Kinderindoktrination (“It’s no less valuable if intercourse happens during cuddling.”), or “Die Lust am Kind” by Dieter F. Ullmann (member of the green party). Helmut Kentler, a psychologist and professor for pedagogics, was an authority in this milieu, and has written lots of texts. He openly confessed that he placed difficult homeless children with pedophiles, because those would endure the difficulties of dealing with those children in exchange for sex. He was convinced that non-violent sex does not harm minors. In all these cases, I don’t know about reports from the children. (Though Ullmann and Kentler were convicted of child abuse in several cases, so protocols might exist.) https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/sexueller-missbrauch-das-berliner-paedo-problem-a-1124210.html

– An interesting case, for which I also don’t know the hindsight opinion of the children, is the Schülerladen “Rote Freiheit” at Kreuzberger Oranienplatz in Berlin, which provided daycare for ~15 children of age 8-14. The protocols of a few months 1969/1970 were leaked, and contained “sexual exercises” and “fuck lessons” on the schedule, as well as details on how these lessons looked.